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“*I actually don’t even think that Bill O’Reilly the off-camera human being is any of those things, which makes his entire “thing” even worse!”
Considering this clip (http://youtu.be/KrlVP9E-maw) and the fact that he’s been sued for sexual harassment at least once, I believe it’s safe to assume that Bill O’Reilly is at least one of those things, if not all of them.
Even while doing a commercial/fake viral video with Jon Hamm, she still found a way to mention what a talented young writer she is. Never change, Lena.
I think a better choice of words by that club manager would have been: “If you don’t want to get offended, don’t go to comedy clubs”, as I suspect that’s closer to what he meant to say. Of course, no one goes to a show to be insulted. That’s just not a thing. And unless you are a nuisance or a heckler, you won’t get insulted. But what he probably meant to say was that everyone will be offended at some point or other during stand-up acts and that’s just how it works and what you should come to expect.
I am part of a racial minority myself and have lost many close ones to cancer. When a comedian jokes about these topics, I can’t laugh as hard as I usually do because sometimes these jokes hit a little too close to home. It would be ridiculous, however, for me to be personally offended by that comic, who probably doesn’t even mean what he is saying and is exaggerating or making light of a grave situation for comedic effect. It also would be incredibly hypocritical of me to laugh at 99% of his other material, but be outraged when the next joke happens to relate to me personally.
Actually, I do understand what rape culture is, as it’s not that complicated of a notion to begin with, and I understood what I was saying when I argued that Daniel Tosh wasn’t willfully complicit in rape culture, meaning that he wasn’t out to trivialize or capitalize on rape and the discrimination of women without putting it in a satiric and comedic context.
If you don’t agree with me as regards to what I’m saying, that’s perfectly fine. But please don’t try to brush my entire point aside by creating a straw man argument and claiming I simply don’t understand.
Exactly. I agree, but in this particular situation, people are expecting Daniel Tosh to be both that objective outsider who is able to appreciate this contrast in the performance, whilst at the same time also staying in character as that awful-guy-doing-awful-things as his schtick.
I’m not saying he couldn’t do it. He could have followed it up by saying he didn’t really mean it and that it was an awful thing to say and then laugh at how awful it was saying it. Other comedians often do this, but he usually doesn’t (though he sometimes does on his show).
Like pickpocket is saying below, I meant for those examples to be fictional, as they would happen in a comedy film, not in real life. But perhaps unlike pickpocket, I don’t regard stand-up to be real or to be any different from a comedy film, or theater, or improv. I don’t feel a comedian has to break character every time he says something awful as his schtick, much like I don’t expect an actor to break character every time his stage persona does something awful.
But still, after having said all this, I have to reiterate my point that the supposed comedy was not in what Tosh said by itself, but in the situational context and the absurd response to a genuine comment from the audience. If his act, completely unprovoked or in character, was about how rape is good or funny, then yes, awful comedy, don’t buy tickets. If Daniel Tosh in real-life, with no comedic context, said to this girl that he hopes she get raped and that it would be funny, then yes, go ahead and arrest that awful guy. But all you can really criticize him for now is that the joke was lame and that his act is stupid.
I’m opening myself up to a torrent of down votes by the videogum in-crowd for this, but I feel someone has to make a reasonable counterargument. Tosh’s rape joke was incredibly lazy and uninspired, sure, but seeing it as bullying, or him personally insulting that woman or, god forbid, him willfully being complicit in ‘rape culture’ is just taking it too far.
Here’s how I see it. The joke was never about laughing at other people’s misfortunes. The joke was never about him saying this specific girl getting hurt at that time would be funny in and by itself. The joke here is someone making a genuine, heartfelt response to the inanity said on stage and being immediately shut down by that very same insanity. It would be like a single rational prisoner during a prison riot crying out “Can’t we all just get along? We are all humane people here” and getting immediately shanked after saying this. Or an honest and trusting person during a looting saying “I trust you people to respect my property like the decent human beings you are” and having all his stuff immediately stolen.
Like many have said before, his persona on stage is a schtick, an act. He exaggerates awful things to the point where they become absurd. Daniel Tosh does it. Don Rickles does it. Louis CK does it. It seems more acceptable when Louis CK does it, because he often takes a step back and makes it explicit how he feels the things he’s saying are awful. Some comedians, like Daniel Tosh, do this less because they expect their audience to realize this as they’re watching a comedy show. To actually think these people belief the awful things they are saying without the comedic context is just taking things too seriously and, frankly, completely missing the point.
Absolutely. Nice fake crying, kid. Way to manipulate your parents into going to Chattanooga. Very cunning.
Sorry, videogum. I like Arnold. He’s not a perfect person, especially in his private life, but he has accomplished a lot through hard work and inspires young folk to do the same. Seriousgum!
Thanks, great post. I was sick of having all this fun anyway.
By now they have so much material they might as well splice together random soundbytes to create new shows. In fact, I’m pretty sure they have been doing just that these last couple of seasons.
A man who has the balls to wear college professor glasses with an afghan scarf, combined with a fancy dress jacket over a leather jacket, can grab any piece of ass he damn well wants to.
My name is Commander Shepard and this is my favorite commercial on television.
I liked the part where Sawyer is shooting guns.
“Jon Hamm! He’s so hot right now!” – 10 year old movie references
That puppy is really sleepy!
“James Franco went on to attend highschool and unironically joined the school football team as star quarterback. Needless to say, he graduated top of his class and was awarded the ‘James Franco’ scholarship of excellence.” — Future biography on United States President James Franco