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Roman Polanski paced his Swiss jail cell, where he had been placed on decades old warrants related to the 1977 charges of raping and drugging a 13-year-old girl. For weeks he had carefully dug a hole into the soft clay wall of his cell, dropping the loose pieces through a hole in his pocket in the exercise yard, covering his progress with a Rita Hayworth poster the warden had been kind enough to provide him with. Finally, when the hole was deep enough, he used it to store the various bits and pieces he would need to complete his time machine, collected from the cafeteria, the laundry room, and the metal works. Now, there was only one piece missing, and he knew exactly what it was (a tiny twist of copper wire), and which he planned to extract from a shortwave radio in the kitchens that the guards let the assigned prisoners listen to music on while they cooked for their fellow inmates. Then, at midnight, he would install this wire as a connector between the important parts and he would be ready for his first voyage THROUGH TIME.
He got it! The piece of wire! The guards didn’t see him get it. There was not even a problem with the sloppy joes at lunch at all. And now it is midnight!
Roman Polanski threaded the essential piece of copper wire from the kitchen radio where it needed to go in the time machine and he pressed a switch that said “On.” The machine hummed to life, and its plutonium core glowed blue. He connected the connectors to his prison bed (eventually, when the options to this story were sold to Hollywood by the Estate of Roman Polanski, the movie was entitled Prison Bed Time Machine. It opened to mixed reviews), set the dials, and laid down.
“Forget it, Roman,” Roman Polanski said, “it’s Time Travel Town.”
There was a flash of electricity and the prison bed shook and then it looked like, you know how in those movies it’s like you’re traveling through a tunnel of light? They do it in movies about space and also the future, or whenever there is some kind of strange invention. You know what I’m talking about? Well that’s how it looked to Roman Polanski. He shut his eyes because he was getting dizzy from all this time travel!
When he opened them he was in Munich. He hid the Time Machine (which was also a prison bed) in a piano player’s apartment in Warsaw, and headed straight for the Nazi headquarters where he promptly KILLED HITLER.
Roman Polanski spent the next 24 hours (although time is relative and when you are traveling through time it is VERY relative, and also hard to keep track of, but let’s say it was basically 24 hours) going to various points in history and correcting the treacherous wrongs of humanity. He traveled to 1831 and prevented the Trail of Tears, and while he was there, he abolished slavery, thereby preventing the American Civil War. He traveled to 1994 Rwanda and convinced the Hutu never to take up arms against the Tutsi. Spanish Inquisition: more like Spanish Inquistayathomeandrelaxition. Again and again, Roman Polanski eased the suffering of millions of his fellow men, and created a harmonious world of peace and understanding. When he returned to 2009 there would be no record or memory of 9/11, the 100 Years War, or the Battle of Thermopylae. Deaths from natural disasters were also avoided through time, with Roman Polanski’s efficient and knowledgeable evacuation plans. Only buildings burned in the Great Chicago Fire of 1871. On Jan. 23, 1556, more than 830,000 lives were saved from an 8+ earthquake in Shansi China. And Petra Nemcova never had to take a break from modeling to recover from the trauma of the 2004 Tsunami in Indonesia, because no one was even in Indonesia when it happened. Roman Polanski made sure of that (somehow. 2004 was not that long ago and people would have known who he was. But he was very persuasive!).
Roman Polanski, tired from his frantic work traveling through time and around the globe to right the wrongs of the past, returned to Switzerland, 2009, and presented himself to the healthy and peace-loving peoples of his changed world. “People of Earth,” he declared, from the top of a mountain or some shit, “I have saved millions of lives and taught humankind to embrace and encourage its better instincts.” The people cheered, for it was true that in the past 24 hours, using his trusty Time Machine, that Roman Polanski had done many great things for human beings. And they knew, also, that he had made very many good films. Rosemary’s Baby, in particular, they liked.
“And now,” Roman Polanski said, “I assume that this more than makes up for the fact that I gave a 13-year-old girl quaaludes and then sodomized her, not necessarily in that order!”
“Uh, not really, actually!” said pretty much everyone except a few fucking assholes in Hollywood. “Thank you for saving all those people and stuff, but it’s still really fucked up that you gave a 13-year-old girl quaaludes and then sodomized her, regardless of the order.”
And then they took Roman Polanski back to jail because COME ON!
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Good! Besides, when he went back in time and fixed all those things he was using rape. Killed Hitler? Yeah, he raped him to death. Raped the Hutu into agreeing. And on and on.
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the PAST. The flux capacitor is under your tree stump, troll.
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The a troll is yours because you touched it last? What are we doing right now?
I accidentally hit the pretty green button instead of the red button, so you should really be at -3 right now. Just so you know.
Don’t you realize, but downvoting me, I’ve won.
lololololoolll! You don’t have a very good grasp of the English language!!!11!
Don’t you mean you’ve “one”? If you’re going with the semi-literate theme you might as well just go for it.
And then Polanski was all, “But I survived the Holocaust!”
And the vibrant, thriving community of Jews in Europe was all, “What’s the Holocaust?”
And Polanski was all, “D’oh!”
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This is a crucial lesson for Roman. It’s important to realize that (good deed + bad deed) ~= no deed. I learned a similar lesson in my childhood, but it was more like (good smell + bad smell) ~= no smell. Hoo boy did i get a whoopin when i learned that lesson.
Also, I hope Roman’s jail cell has enough room for all of his time traveler of the year awardz!!!
Replying was a mistake.
Chalk that up to a radical change in comment content.
And this delicious yogurt cup on my head.
i dont think making cool films and surviving the holocaust counts as good deeds.
But killing hitler does.
Good deed, indeed.
But, it has no moral bearing on his drugging and raping a girl.
FanFic Roman did a lot of very good things. FanFic Roman did a very bad thing.
FanFic Roman, go to jail.
You forgot the part where Roman Polanski went back in time and aborted himself.
Grandfather Paradox son – can’t go back in time and affect your future existence, otherwise you never went back and it all happens anyway.
“An equivalent paradox is known (in philosophy) as autoinfanticide?that is going back in time and killing oneself as a baby?though when the word was first coined in a paper by Paul Horwich he used the term autofanticide.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox
It is possible that he went back in AND to a parallel universe where someone killed him as a baby. Then when he went forward in time, he would still be the Roman Polanski from his world but living in the world where there was no adult Roman Polanski. Then he could get away with raping as many 13 year-old girls as he wanted, because he wouldn’t have an identity in that world: no fingerprints on record, no dna on record, no history of living past infancy. Cops don’t look for the dead baby they think raped some girls. It’s really the perfect crime. Except that it requires time travel and a desire to rape 13 year old girls.
Slow claps.
Roman Polanski’s life is basically one big game of monopoly.
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For shame, That One. For shame.
I sort of hope you rethink your comment, and how absolutely awful it is, and completely unfunny. You’ve obviously got good taste cuz you’re a fellow ‘gummer, but really, come on.
You guys are kidding, right? Millions upon millions of lives saved. Atrocities completely averted. The human toll of incredible natural disasters prevented. If one man accomplished all of this, I would be willing to forgive even something as terrible as the rape of thirteen year-old. You’re kidding, right? You’ve got to be kidding. Wow.
I’ve been reading this blog (I hate that word and I hate saying it and I hate typing it) for a while, and I JUST started commenting (sorry). Is this thread going to tear our happy world apart like some movie-marriage and I’ll be the movie-kid left wondering if it was their fault? Stop talking about rape! One rape is bad.. millions of people dying is worse, but in that sick way where you don’t want to say worse is worse than worse, but some worse is.. then you remember all the ants you killed when you were a kid, you get wrapped up in a mental conch shell, realize your clothes are still in the dryer, and forget all about it. Go back in time and be friends. Think of the e-Children.
(This happens to be randomly directed at you, That One.) Look, I’m sorry, but even for a hypothetical this is completely ridiculous. Like, who knows what would happen if the Holocaust were subverted. Totally not saying that it should have happened, but the butterfly effect is a real thing, and what kind of world would this be it weren’t a post-Holocaust one? I mean, so much of our contemporary sense of shame and humanity has to do with the Holocaust. And other stuff I can’t really articulate. This is why I hate time-travel hypotheticals (this is actually on my list of things I hate), because the consequences of canceling an event or series of events are unfathomable. Did Ashton Kutcher teach us nothing??? AUTO-UMBILICAL ASPHYXIATION, YOU GUYS. Hubris is man’s assumption of godly powers (like manipulating the space-time continuum), and it is always the downfall of tragic characters, I mean, open a fucking book.
Plus, and I’m not even sure where you guys got this from, but in what possible scenario would the salvation of a huge portion of an entire race depend on the rape of a child? This does not even count as a moral quandary to me. If Roman Polanski did save a million billion squillion people, okay, that is good I guess, except that life is still chock full of suffering and misery and if those people didn’t die in tsunamis and religious wars then that number of people would have died some other horrific way. (The universe has a way of course-correcting itself, brotha.) And even if he DID do all that and human suffering actually WAS somehow assuaged for it, if he then drugged a girl and raped her, maybe or maybe not in that order, that would still be an abominable thing for which he should be punished. No doy! Are we really talking about this like it’s a blurry thing?
K, no more thinking about this for me.
Carrie, I’m trying to ignore the metaphysics of it all and focus on the basic ethical question. If someone made the world an infinitely better place for millions of people, should he be legally forgiven for violating a young child in the most hideous way and thus, destroying her life?
No. Didn’t you read what I wrote? Besides, Roman Polanski didn’t make the world an infinitely better place for millions of people. He directed some movies.
You just hate my fucking soul, don’t you? Lately, it seems like every time I post something other than a joke, you’re right on top of me (twss). I really enjoy what you write here, and it honestly kinda e-hurts.
Wow, am I expressing emotion about being hated by a fellow monster? Jesus.
I think you need a hug!
*hugs that one* (an e-hug off course.. I don’t know how old you are..)
Whoaaaa dude, first of all this is the internet and I don’t know anything about your soul, and second of all I don’t hate you. I mainly responded to you because it was a convenient location in the discussion to do so! AND I was addressing other arguments on this thread that weren’t yours. Plus, I was up much later than usual last night so I can’t be held accountable for any snarkiness (that’s how that works, right?). So relax! You’re smart and funny, no one hates you (that I know of).
By that logic we either shouldn’t work on stopping bad things, because bad things are still going to continue to happen anyway. And, roman polanski’s raping might actually be a good thing because what kind of world would this be if it weren’t a post polanski-rape one since it teaches us valuable lessons.
You took his comment way too seriously broham
I believe people have been legally pardoned of worse things for accomplishing far less than the salvation of millions of lives, so I will jump on your outrageous bandwagon and say you are not crazy, even if the hypothetical situation we are examining is very crazy. I’m not saying rape should be forgiven, but I’m saying it wouldn’t be a disaster if it were legally pardoned in light of saving millions. Duh.
If people are going to misconstrue That One’s argument as support and encouragement of child rape, then I would suggest not being so ridiculous. We can all agree that no rape is better than rape, but if we were to weigh the rape of one person against the death of millions, which is still a completely absurd thing to try and weigh, whatever, then I think most people would get on the rape train.
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I think we would still have Marilyn Manson without Charlie Manson (or Marilyn Monroe’s overdose?), but his name would be Goodstuff O’Badstuff, and instead of all the makeup and bloody, sacrelgious antics, he would slap on some of his mom’s lipstick, climb onstage, and eat a bowl of Lucky Charms with slightly spoiled milk while asking us all how our day was. But he’d still be a jerk.
You made a typo. I think you meant to say “and headed straight for the Nazi headquarters where he promptly used his quaaludes and RAPED HITLER.”
Sorry Silivo, I probably should have read all the comments first. Big up yourself!
Your delivery was way better. Let’s share it. There’s enough Hitler-rape to go around.
Honestly, I’m loving all the armchairjusticegum of late. Thanks, Gabe, for making me less
when I find out yet another filmmaker has signed the “we support child rapists” list.
They say never meet your heroes…
My favorite part of the petition…the organization is called SACD! Does that not sound like the rape version of Punk’d to you? ew.
I love that Polanski is brilliant enough to build a time machine, and enough of a help to save a bajillion lives, but crosses the line at traveling to the 70′s and stopping himself raping a child. There’s only so much a man can do!
It was weird to see a “forget it” joke somewhat in context. Threw me off a bit.
I don’t want to seem all self-righteous and shit like I didn’t laugh at the story, but seriously, can someone wake me up when this stops being rapeogum? It’s getting depressing.
I’m getting downvoted for saying all this rape discussion is depressing? Sorry, didn’t realize there were so many rape fans out there. Is it because I didn’t say the magic “downvote away!”?
Gumsters are weird that way. I don’t understand it, but we deal, right?
I agree; let’s take a break from rape [ohmygod I think I have a new hit single.]
TWSS
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I just don’t think that’s how ethics work, at least not for me. I’d rather have the world as it is (imperfect, imbalanced, often scary and tragic but still filled up hope and good people) then have an alternative world where we can barter with our ethic and/or moral code.
I’m with ya tib. Walrus…
…. That was not a brave thing to say. That was very gross.
Brave vs. gross is a pretty weird and irrelevant false dichotomy, since one can be cowardly and truthful or gross and truthful or a brave gross not-getter of things. Rape is not just not brave and very gross, it is an act that denies the victim’s humanity and it is inexcusable. So yeah, I agree with tibmalian and Gabe and GOB Bluth.
Those were two different ideas, not displaying a dichotomy. Just saying.
I need to preface this by saying that I am stoned and deliriously exhausted right now so what I say may not make sense. Also, I am a Utilitarian in most ethical cases, and Kantian in some, but I judge things on a case-by-case basis. Moving on.
I understand that anyone’s reaction to someone’s expressing their approval of child-rape is somewhere along the lines of “You terrible person, creepshow, get away from me”. And that’s good.
In the Polanski case, he drugged and raped a young girl. He took away control over her body because he valued his own twisted sexual desire over her right to NOT be raped. It’s pretty black-and-white.
But, when we get into killing Hitler territory, things get much more complicated [durh]. Now, I’ve already said I’m mostly a Utilitarian, and I assume y’all know what that is, so. Next..
The reason why everyone [except for Polanski and everyone's favorite directors, sad faces all around] thinks child-rape is wrong is because it harms an innocent person, and violates their basic autonomy. Right?
So, let’s assume that Polanski somehow manages to travel back in time, KILL HITLER, stop genocide, and generally make the world a much better place. By doing all of this, he saves millions of lives and prevents an immeasurable amount of human suffering. But he still rapes a child.
The reason why we know genocide is wrong is the same reason why we know rape is wrong: it harms innocent people and violates people’s autonomy. RIgh?
Now, on the one hand, we have the violation of a child. And on the other hand, we have the prevention of millions of rapes and murders and cases of torture; prevention of millions of more violations.
So, we have this really weird and terrible quandary. Nobody wants to condone child-rape. But no one wants to condone genocide and wide-spread murder/torture/rape. As awful as it is to say, I’m going to have to say it: one raped child is a small price to pay for millions of unraped and un-murdered people.
I know this is coming so allow me to ruin it for y’all:
TL;DR
I hear you, but this is getting nuts, because it isn’t about our choice, it’s about Roman’s. We are not the arbiter of people’s decisions, it is not “our” choice to send Roman back in time to kill hitler, and it is not our choice to “allow” him to then go rape the girl. There’s no cosmic rule, “crisis averted, get the girl.” I guess I think it’s become too “either/or” for something that’s practical nonsense. I think it’s important though, and interesting. I’m a big softie when it comes to redemption though. If he rapes the girl, then he must go try to kill hitler to earn our forgiveness, and he must be given the opportunity for redemption. Conversely, if a man first becomes a hero by defeating evil, and then goes on to become evil, he must be judged by the standards that made him a hero in the first place. FART JOKEZ.
I hear ya. And I think we can all agree that this situation is completely ridiculous and could never happen, so.
So ridiculous! I was typing out my posts and LOLing because it was like “OK SO ROMAN POLANSKI KILLS HITLER IN A TIME MACHINE AND WHUUUUT AM I TALKING ABOUT?” This just goes to show, if they invent time machines, the Videogum comment community will be the main consultants on time travel law, because we been had that discussion.
Totally agree. As Spock says, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (to not be raped).”
And while that was a joke, come on, guys. In exchange for all that, I would gladly go back in time and offer Mr. Polanski my own thirteen year-old self. That’s kinda weird that you’d rather have the Holocaust, 9/11 (and by extension the Iraq War), and a plethora of natural disasters, atrocities, and genocides than have one girl’s life ruined. As terrible as child-rape is, I think that’s a pretty sweet deal.
Tibmalian, we already live in a world where we barter with our moral/ethical code. Our criminal justice system allows immunity to terrible criminals in exchange for testifying against more terrible criminals. An understaffed ER needs to decide whose life to save when there’s no time to save everyone. The mayor of an economically devastated city needs to choose where to cut budgets. These compromises happen every day, all over the world. They’re a necessity. Without them, we’d be frozen in our tracks waiting for the perfect situation in which everybody’s happy, well-off, and safe while society collapses around us.
In some pockets of the world, euthanasia is mandatory. Some villages have extremely limited resources and once their elderly reach a certain age, they’re led to a remote region to die with honor. It doesn’t matter if they’re perfectly healthy, or if they have a terminal illness. At a certain point, they decide that they’ve lived a full life and don’t want to drain precious resources for the rest of the village. It sounds awful, but because of that societal construct, a small child will have enough to eat for the week instead of starving.
We exist on an extremely dark and complicated planet. We constantly need to compromise our morals, to choose the lesser of two evils. This is our evolution. It’s our nature. And I think that it’s amazing, if for no other reason, to make our time here just a bit less terrifying.
Hmm… I think I disagree here. Making difficult moral compromise isn’t the same as what’s being discussed here. This is doing good things in order to earn the right to do bad things. I agree, the world is a gnarly place, but what would happen to us if all of our drives and motives to do good became so exploitable as to be motivated by the possible reward of being able to do evil? I’m starting to freak myself out. This Polanski business has gone far enough! And I really can’t speak to the idea of whether or not I’d want the holocaust to be prevented in order for someone to rape a child, because I’m just too big of a Lost fan to go there.
It’s not doing good things to gain the right to do bad things. The bad thing occured BEFORE the good things. Now, he didn’t go back and undo the bad thing … however, that becomes a time travel ethical dillema of “is not going back in time and preventing a bad thing ITSELF of bad thing?” In which case, he’d be doing the original rape all over again, but also doing every bad thing ever (except the things he went back to prevent). And of course, that then begs the question of if every bad thing being averted actually made things better, but that’s going into “speculative fiction” teritory that gets even farther away from the original moral issue brought up by this post.
It isn’t “I did great stuff, so I can haz rapeburger?”. It is questioning if, having raped someone, is it ever possible to do good/be a good person, no matter how hard you try. Unfortunately, the fact that this hypothetical gives him a way to actually stop the thing he did that forced him to “need” to do all those good things makes it FAIL as an analogy. Otherwise though, it teaches us that once you rape, you might as well do whatever you want from that point forward, because feeling bad and doing good things will never change the fact. You are doomed, cursed, etc … so just keep on raping I guess.
Oh… Well, if you see above, I distance myself from the “once a monster, always a monster” school. But this is a good lesson in why time travel complexities don’t really serve ethical “what ifs” very well because, after all, when is the Island?
Um… your argument’s logic is hard to follow, as in, it makes no goddamn sense. No wonder you’d like Roman Polanski to rape you. My advice: stay in school.
So what are we saying here? Belle and Sebastian, or…
Perhaps you’d have a point if the time machine’s only fuel was the tears of a raped child, but that wasn’t part of this particular alternate reality. The rape wasn’t a necessary trade-off. It was in fact something the bastard could have used the time machine to prevent.
I also find it interesting that Alternate Polanski waited until after he was caught and thrown into jail before building his time machine. Apparently jailing child rapists has more advantages than pure justice in this brave new world.
So you wouldn’t be willing to forgive something as hideous as Polanski did if he prevented everything that Gabe mentioned? It seems like everyone’s letting the metaphysical time-travel element cloud the essential moral question proposed, which is: If one man saved tens (maybe hundreds) of millions of lives and made the world an irrefutably, infinitely better place, would you legally forgive a despicable, disgusting drugging and raping of a thirteen year-old girl? I would.
But Polanski didn’t do this. He made some ridiculously great films which will go on to influence filmmakers to make more ridiculously great films. So what. He raped a kid, and that’s that.
I can’t believe the rigid and unrealistic idealism I’m seeing in this thread. What the fuck?
Oh, and downvote away.
After “that’s that”, I meant to write “He should spend his last years in prison”. I just got too caught up in this. But regardless, if a man makes great films and rapes a child, he should rot in prison. If a man saves millions of lives and essentially creates a much better planet, he should have a fucking shrine built for him and be forgiven of his awful, awful past.
silly rabbit, everyone knows that quasi-mystical swedenborgian temporal conveyance is powered by the hearts of dead orphans… and not to put too fine a point on it, but here’s what i listed on imdb as my favorite polanski film: “i vote for the film he leaves on a jail cell wall after his cellmate bashes his nuts clear through the top of his skull.
that is truly his finest film.”
inko, if I could have an advance on future up-votes, I would spend them all upvoting your comment.
Garm’,
–and the coolest of beans to you, as well!
your humble eServant,
inko’
Are you serious? You would “let” him rape her? Like, the rape would be his reward for his good deeds?
I mean, it’s one thing to acknowledge that the guy did a good deed. And maybe he gets fewer years in jail due to saving-millions-of-lives behavior. But that is no reason to allow him to rape anyone. I’m not going to stop a convicted murderer from, say, donating all his money to charity. But I am going to stop someone from committing murder, no matter how many good things they’ve done.
How about this- if he could really go back in time and do all of those things I’d let him go back to to 1989 and rape me. But not up the butt. And first I’d go back in time and tell my 13 year old self to take one for the team.
If Roman Polanski had a time machine he would have given her a few extra quaaludes. After investing in pharma stock.
Leo, you qualify. Pick a snappy avatar now and monster-out with us.
Can Roman also go back and prevent the Saw movies from ever existing?
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Well then, I hope you get your wish. Can I make a donation to Make-A-Wish for this one to come true?
I mean, if we’re getting technical, you chose to read this fan fiction, and if you would’ve chosen to be raped by Roman Polanski it would no longer be rape, but plain ol’ consensual sex. A CONUNDRUM.
“…between the important parts” wins all the points. I hope surgeons say that to each other (i don’t hope surgeons say that to each other).
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Huh?
“If this was so egregious, why wasn’t he caught before?”.. I know that was a rhetorical question, but I’ll put my copy of Barely Legal down for 2 minutes if you’ll ANSWER IT. And to answer the question before that.. I’m 24.. I saw Chinatown when I was, like, 20.. and I didn’t sit there and ask myself “hey, I wonder if the director of the movie I’m watching ever raped people before I was born”. The documentary that just came out was the first time I heard the details because I have things to do with myself that are more important that delving deeper into some joke I hear on tv about Roman Polanski being a child molester. I don’t know what it was about your comment that made me take the time to say this (basically nothing), but I guess you just sounded so fucking smug I wanted to say something. So.. enlighten us!
This is the best bedtime story that has ever been told in the history of You Can Make It Up.
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I definitely see what you’re saying.. a sudden, larger group of people are taking up their pitchforks and chasing him into the closest windmill seemingly out of nowhere. Agreed, but I think everyone here knows that. It’s an awareness issue, though. I can’t speak for everyone, but I imagine some people knew as much as I did about it.. close to nothing.. and now that it’s back in the headlines and has once again become an immediate issue people will discuss it and some people will find out about it for the first time. I was hoping to get your take on WHY THAT HAPPENED. And sorry for calling you smug. I’m the king of smug. Now I’m boring myself.. I wish I could go back in time and shut up.
Well, I think part of the reason people didn’t care for so long was that they chalk it up to typical Hollywood debauchery and write it off, which is sad. Also, back then people sympathized with Polanski because of what happened with his wife. Not that that gives him a free rape pass, but it’s mitigating when it comes to whether or not he should go to jail for 100 years. And, now you have a lot of folks echoing a chorus. And finally, in a society where they sell a lot of Barely Legals, not everyone sees it as “rape rape.”
Lots of downvotes in this one. Everyone has learned their lesson not to make jokes about rape yet?
So you guys, speaking of creepy old sexed-up famous dudes….Dave Letterman, amiright?
You’re right, alright. I love that the audience applauded when he announced that he’s had sex with employees. Because he’s old, I guess?
He’s a whore. A well dressed almost funny whore.
People HAVE been mad about it for years – he’s just been hiding in France and the US authorities have been unable to catch him until now. He’s so smug that he actually had the balls to announce he’d be in a country that knowingly extradites felons to the US – his own ego is to blame for this arrest. Also, if all your information on the rape case is based on what you saw in that documentary, you don’t know very much. Because that doc was VERY Polanski slanted. They tried to make him look like a saint. It was kind of disgusting. They blamed everyone from the girl to her mother to the judge – when the truth is the guy was 44 and she was 13 and he raped her. And he wasn’t even sorry about it. I think his attitude had more to do with the judge wanting to give him a stronger sentence than anything else. Instead of facing up to what he did, he’s spent 30+ years trying to give himself every excuse in the book. It makes me sad that other people let him off the hook for raping a kid just because he directed a few good films.
thanks for addressing that (re. Jonee/apathy). i’m old enough to remember this and have always cringed in disgust at his name, not to mention his praise. it’s okay to be ignorant, but then one pursues the facts– some cases, like that of ira “the unicorn” einhorn, go on for years because of extradition law– and young and old alike have access to the information at this point.http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2009/09/today-in-things-that-make-me-feel-sick.html
–so much access, in fact, that i found this:
polanski on the lam as quoted by martin amis
?If I had killed somebody, it wouldn?t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But? fucking, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to fuck young girls. Juries want to fuck young girls. Everyone wants to fuck young girls!?
–just in case there’s any doubt to his allocution of guilt, which he, sociopath/narcissist that he is, regards as outright bragging. with friends like himself, who needs enemies?
Rape the cheerleader, save the world!
when your posited hypothetical situations essentially turn you into jigsaw, i think it’s time to shut it down.
So, wait, what does everyone think about this whole Roman Polanski thing?
This is so fucking beautiful and right. They really should give you Randy Cohen’s job.
this website is starting to groan under the weight of hundreds of idiots who write and then think in pursuit of the internet lawlz and upvotes that sustain them.
Just going to check:
If he didn’t pull the super runaway and served whatever jail sentence they gave him, he would be out by now. And, presumably, there wouldn’t be any outrage about him doing just about anything like making movies and getting awards.
So, what this hypothetical situation posits is that: sitting in a jail cell for a while, doing absolutely nothing productive for society would “repay the debt” caused by rape … but time travel superheroism would not. We don’t want you making society better, we just want you to suffer, that is what justice is all about.
I think more-so, it’s not really about “repaying the debt” but serving the time given to you for whatever criminal offense (Sodomizing a thirteen year old girl among other things (basically, rape-rape)) you’ve committed. It’s as easy as that. It’s not like we want to bust his balls or anything, we’re not all laughing maniacally that the guy is going to go to jail for what may be the rest of his life (he’s kinda old, y’all (and my knowledge of the legal system is non-existent)) we’re just saying “You deserved that Roman, think twice next time before you commit a variety of atrocities upon a young girl (no matter how much she was “asking for it” (UGH)). Sorry for the parentheses!
That was awesome.
you guys are lost. this guy is old for one. like 76. hes not american or ever coming back to america. YES he had sex with an underage girl but lets not talk about this right now. you want american tax ayers to bring back a guy to the USA that has no itention of ever coming back there anyway to put him in jail for something that the victim dont even want him jailed for. for what? you feel like you dont pay enough tax money for nothing? i thought the key was to get this guy out of american society ‘initially by putting him in jail’. but effetively not having him in jail has got rid of him FOREVER and ensured he owuldnt be a cost on the back of americans to support while in jail. does anyone see how stupid this is? dont you guys have enough people in jail? the only people in the world that beat you guys in putting people in jail was stalin with the gulags and the khmir rouge.. what does that say about you and oppression? china has 3 billion people and still you have more in jail than them. be proud america. be careful america… you are becoming that which you claimed so hard to be against and hate.
Awesome story, if you ignore the last three paragraphs.