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Judging by the paltry number of views, this “debate” about evolution in the style (well, with the music and white background of) the Mac Vs PC ads isn’t even a hit in the parallel universe of Christian ripoffs. That’s gotta sting:
Nice charisma! If you’re tempted to note that everything the “atheist” said about evolution isn’t even what evolution is (Primordial ooze is “dung”? Not monkeys, apes, etc) and that, like most of these, the Christians are setting up a straw man that they still can’t seem to knock over, just don’t think too hard about it because these things are created by and for morons and small children. Just laugh.
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I never got why people are so up in arms about being evolved from primates. Seriously, that’s the whole point you evolved as in “you are no longer.”
Ugh…my brain hurts.
I think the smooth Christian says “gunk” and not “dung” but otherwise you’re spot on. I got into an argument yesterday with two people who tried to tell me that math and logic are means of human communication and not absolutes, wholly independent of human interpretation… One of them said that MATH was a way for people to describe the world with numbers, as though it was a form of poetry or something. They also believed in God.
On a similar note (I think), the people of Papua New Guinea tied a woman to a log last week and burned her alive because they thought she was a witch… I can’t believe the primitive mystical beliefs that still have legs in 2009.
I’m a Christian and I believe in evolution. do not be fooled. the loudest Christians do not speak for the majority.
Same, although I would also hesitate to call myself a “christian”, but, you know, love JC and all that.
me too. also i’d like to add in reply to alfredawesome’s comment, don’t many mathmetitians (…why can’t i spell that word) think of math in exactly those terms? (a way to see the world, a form of poetry etc)….let’s ask kevin spacey
what shayne said
[of course if I were feeling snarky, I would have said " "just don't think too hard about it because these things are created by and for morons and small children. Just laugh." funny, I do that here."]
…and on “faith” I am to believe life can come from non-life?
I THINK evolution can be recreated in a petri dish in a lab… We can watch bacteria or tiny organisms grow and change to better survive. In fact, I think the common cold simply continues to evolve, preventing any vaccine from working. The principles of evolution ARE observable.
If you ask, “Where did the first bacteria come from?” then in a similar vein, I ask, “Who created God, and in what plane?”
the only problem is, while we have observed micro-evolution (adaptation), we have not observed macro-evolution (adapting from one species into another). there are valid arguments for either side.
I think the real question here is why the people who made this video believe atheists dress in oversized coats from their dad’s closet and oversized prop glasses left over from Family Matters.
I am much more offended by that than anything they actually said.
In the dredges of Godtube, I found this video a few months ago. It’s better on the “acting” and the “being a high school graduate” side of things, but still…gross.
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=8f328547d9d4cee54d3f
Sorry but i would have to disagree with your first comment and argue that as far as we can prove, maths and logic are means of human interpretation, and not infinite, independent absolutes. When you see two, or four apples, you are not seeing integers, just millions and millions of atoms buzzing around, falling off, attaching themselves to different things. There are never two complete apples, your brain just attributes a number in order to simplify and therefore deal with the world. Your belief in maths and logic as infallible absolutes is based upon the same faith as these here Christian’s belief in an invisible, infinite, independent God.
but what about fractals? I personally see math as something we’ve discovered. it’s been surprisingly consistent for thousands of years. and the same concepts apply to so many different things! pi came from a circle, but then you apply it to ohm’s law and it all over electricity as well!
Are you suggesting that I merely believe that 1+1=2? Because I merely perceive 2 things? Please explain a hypothetical situation in which 1+1 does not =2. I am asking sincerely for you to consider a situation in which math fails that doesn’t require magic.
Sorry but i would have to disagree with your first comment and argue that as far as we can prove, maths and logic are means of human interpretation, and not infinite, independent absolutes. When you see two, or four apples, you are not seeing integers, just millions and millions of atoms buzzing around, falling off, attaching themselves to different things. There are never two complete apples, your brain just attributes a number in order to simplify and therefore deal with the world. Your belief in maths and logic as infallible absolutes is based upon the same faith as these here Christian’s belief in an invisible, infinite, independent God.
all I’m saying is, when you say hypothetical, you mean an theoretical situation i.e. one using abstract notions of integers. I would ask you, please tell me a real physical example of: one object + another object that is exactly equal to the first object = two equal objects.
I agree that fractals are fascinating, they go way beyond geometry, and may even point us in the direction of how life started. But I wouldn’t say that maths has been suprisingly consistent for 1000s of years. I mean look at how Einstein’s theory of relativity showed that space time’s geometry is non-Euclidean. Maths is constantly evolving and is by now means perfect, Just look at all the paradoxs out there!
Are you suggesting that having 1 banana and picking up another 1 banana doesn’t mean you have 2 bananas? If you’re saying that they’re too dissimilar on the molecular level for them to mathematically add up to 2 bananas, you’re metaphorically plugging your ears and singing God Bless America to shut out something you don’t want to hear.
1 apple plus 1 apple equals two apples. if you look again and realize you actually have three apples, then it’s because you started with an extra apple you neglected to account for. your perception IS fallible, but the logic and principles of math are not. There is also a calculable number of atoms “buzzing” around to create those apples. and 1 atom plus 1 atom will also always equal 2 atoms. Also, physics is not math. Physics uses infallible math to prove or disprove theories based on our fallible observations of the physical world. when these theories (relativity, etc) are later proved false or incomplete, its not the institution of mathematics that failed. the error was due to miscalculation or improper collection/inputting of data.
like they say… computer’s don’t make mistakes!