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To mark the seventh anniversary of the premiere of Lost (most important anniversary there is, probably), Damon Lindelof spoke to a group of fans at the New York Television Festival (whatever THAT is) and revealed some secrets about the show’s development that are not so much actual secrets as admissions of what we all suspected the whole time. Here are some highlights (from Reuters):

[Damon Lindelof and JJ Abrams] threw in lots of wild elements just because they never expected it to get on the air.

One of the main calling cards of the show — the flashbacks to characters’ lives before they crash landed on the island — was simply a way to cut away from the same old tropical locale.

If it seemed like the writers were making things up as they went along, by the way, they often were. And also? Lindelof tried to quit the show, again and again.

“‘There should be a hatch on this island! They spend the entire season trying to get it open. And there should be these other people on the island,’” Lindelof recalled Abrams saying. “And I’m like, ”We can call them The Others.’ And he’s like, ‘They should hear this noise out there in the jungle.’ And I’m like, ‘What’s the noise?’ And he’s like, ‘I don’t…know. They’re never going to pick this thing up anyway.’”

He said he agreed with critics who said the show could never last more than a season.

Right. We know. The show was such nonsense. Just absolute garbage in so many ways. I loved it so much. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LOST! R.I.P. Lupides.

Comments (141)
  1. I am experiencing a wave emotions right now. Please excuse me.

  2. Don’t all fiction writers make stuff up as they go along?

    • They kinda fill in character details and some loose ends as they go. There is always a firm but general idea of where the story’s going or else you crash and burn. I think they were hoping to maintain a coherent plot if the show was picked up, just crossed their fingers and waited . . .

      • Ugh. This is what annoys me about people who complain about Lost. They think writing a TV show is the same process as writing a book. It’s not.

        Almost no one knows a general idea of where a TV show is going from the pilot because:

        (1) It’s hard enough knowing just what the show is from the pilot. Look at Dollhouse as an example.
        (2) You have no idea what characters and relationships will work. Look at Nikki and Paolo as an example.
        (3) Almost no pilots get picked up. Why do all that work when you’ll more than likely throw it all away?
        (4) If by some miracle of Jesus your pilot gets picked up, you have no idea how long your show is going to last. So if you have one grand plan that lasts a season, what do you do when you have two seasons? What do you do if you have half a season?

        And plus, I think the Lost writers did set out with a plan: to make a mystery / adventure show that completely fucked with your mind. And it did. All the way up to the last season

        • I don’t think it was the fact that they just made it up as they went along that was the big issue some people (like myself) had with Lost. It was moreso that every plot detail, every revelation, every cliffhanger and surprise that the show threw at you, it was all just so stoned-college-freshman-ish. I just picture the generic college kid trying pot for the first time and then having a conversation with his stoned friends that eventually became the premise for Lost.

          It seemed like there wasn’t an idea presented in the writers room without the phrase “Wouldn’t it be crazy if…” preceding it. and that is my issue with it, it wasn’t a cool story in my eyes, it was just the writers of the show trying to do the least likely, least logical, and least expected thing. and sometimes (often, with Lost) the least expected thing ISN’T what is best for the story. Countless times, things would happen in that show and I would just hear Keanu Reeve’s going “……woah” in the back of my head.

        • When “your” is J.J.’s, almost all pilots get picked up… and without the miracle of Christ. And I think you’re mistaking a general idea for a specific one. General ideas for a show’s future are subject to change and are hard to write without.

          • Man, I HATED Lost. Because I was pretty sure the whole time that they had no plan, no idea of where they were going and everything leading up the final episode was nothing but drawn out, wasted time. Even that I would have been fine with. It happens a lot. But during the show’s run, all the producers involved were frequently quoted as saying they had a plan and everybody just needed to trust them, dammit, because it would all make sense. Instead, there were roughly a billion dropped plotlines that will never make sense AND the dude now openly admits he had no clue what was going on. But at the time, boy, you guys are gonna be BLOWN AWAY by how this will all totally make sense!

        • Also, watch Breaking Bad. The creators of that show have had a pretty good idea since day 1 what was going to happen and where all of it’s characters were going to end up. It is in infinitely better made show than lost (with a fraction of the budget) with just as many twists, turns, and unexpected moments in the plot. It gives you allusion to future events and then it actually PAYS OFF. Even with last seasons cliffhanger I still left the season feeling satisfied, as if I had just witnessed a concrete series of events. Lost never did any of these things.

          • I saw the creator of Breaking Bad during a masterclass in Paris and he told us that the writers’s strike completely changed the way he wanted the show to be… Basically without it, the first season’s story would have been a concentrate version of what seasons 1,2 and 3 are… SO yeah, it’s clearly superior, but it’s not like it is so planed either…

  3. Lindelof: “…and we could have heroin-stuffed Virgin Marys and a weird magnet fence.”
    ABC:“Sure”
    Lindelof: “We could also have some guy get sucked into a turbine in the first 5 minutes and then a season later have a book come out that was “written” by him that shed no light on anything.”
    ABC: “Go nuts.”
    Lindelof: “Jesus Sticks! Tattoo Origins! Extension Cord Hangings! Mr. Clucks!”
    ABC: “Why Not.”
    Lindelof: “Then Nikki and Paulo could heist some diamonds and…”
    ABC: “FUCK OFF, DAMON!”

  4. I am so filled with rage and regret right now. And then I read this. Totally not related, does anyone have a shovel I could borrow?

  5. Ha ha ha, nice try Damon Lindelof. We all know you knew what you were doing all along. Nice try though.

  6. Foolish man! Why doesn’t he craft an explanation out of Doc Jensen’s convoluted and exhaustive theories and say that’s what the writers had in mind the entire time?

  7. If I had been writing Lost, The Others would have been seven people who had been shipwrecked after what was supposed to be a 3-hour tour. Then there would have been some cannibalism.

  8. nickelback lyrics.

  9. So after all these years the biggest revelation is that Steve Winwood was right? http://www.moviesoundclips.net/tv1/lost/theme.wav

    • Sorry Chris for being a plagiarist commentator

      • Steve Winwood belongs to all of us, man.

        • LOST sucked.

          The only reason why anyone cared about LOST was the false promise of an imminent payoff (plot explanations, revelations, etc) which remained elusive perpetually. It was actually the elusiveness that people really liked without knowing it and they liked it dishonestly because they were not examining it.

          • You get it Steve, you really get it.

          • God bless you, Steve Winwood.

          • I can’t speak for anyone else, but I was drawn into the show because of the elusive mysteries, though I eventually came to love it for its characters (most of them, anyway [not Kate]) and the exploration of weird science fiction concepts. I initially held out hope that the mysteries would all be explained and that they would tie together in some coherent fashion. But when it became blatantly obvious that would never happen (season 2) it still didn’t lessen my enjoyment of it.

            I think there are a lot of fans that had similar experiences with the show. I’m just saying that there was a lot to like about Lost aside from the mysteries.

  10. Ugh. How can I get back the time I spent watching every episode on Netflix just so I could watch the finale along with everyone else? ‘We never thought it would last.’ Well that’s fucking idiotic, guys. You don’t make television shows thinking they’ll get cancelled. That would be like me hosting a BBQ and everyone complaining about the hamburgers being served raw. ‘Oh, I didn’t think you guys would actually wanna eat those.’ Jon! You idiot! Of course we did, it’s a fucking BBQ!

    • You might if you got paid thousands of dollars for bringing the hamburgers, regardless of whether they were cooked or not.

    • From the “Poochie” episode of The Simpsons:

      Bart:Hey, I know it was great, but what right do you have to complain?
      Comic Book Guy: As a loyal viewer, I feel they owe me.
      Bart: What? They’re giving you thousands of hours of entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe you? If anything, you owe them.
      Comic Book Guy: Worst episode ever.

      • And then that last line, which was basically a throwaway, became a whole big thing with people saying “Worst. [fill in the blank]. Ever.” all over the place, which is really weird when you stop to think about it.

        • Simpsons did it!

        • The funny thing about all of this is that because of the awfulness of LOST’s shit ending, I now find total and complete comfort in Dr. Who for the same reasons Abed loves Inspector Spaceman — it’s been on forever and the mythology of it is set in stone. Why am I posting this here? Because I also like tacos and posting on the Internet so my transformation into the Comic Book Guy is almost complete. And I do think those writers owe me a Widmore / Hawking story. A good one. I fangirled the hell out of that show and they got mansions and jets and cocaine and prostitutes in return. And I think a simple Widmore / Hawking story is not too much to ask. I really want to know why Faraday has an American accent if both his parents are British. I also want to know why Widmore and Hawking broke up and who is Penny’s mom? Who?

          Also… Who!

  11. I know this is well after the fact, but guys, why watch Lost when you could watch THIS instead?

    It’s on an island and everything!

  12. Oh, Lost, you stupid, silly old thing. I miss seeing you outdoing yourself in the bonkers-tarded category every week.

  13. Tomorrow he’ll reveal that he is, in fact, David Cross.

  14. “I’m pretty chuffed about the whole thing.” — Gwynie

  15. Happy birthday to LOST! You guys, today is also my birthday, which I was pretty cool with, until I realized it is also Gwenth Paltrow’s birthday. Then I found out it was also Stephen Jenkins’ birthday, which I’m totally cool with, cause MOTORCYCLE DRIVEBY.

  16. “And Ben is really a good guy, sort of?”

  17. “DamonLindelof Context is everything, folks. Yes. We made up the pilot as we went along. Because we wrote it in TWO WEEKS.”

  18. Aside from watching them dig themselves further into a hole they couldn’t get out of every week, I miss people constantly complaining about this show and breaking up with it and getting back together with it as it were their lover. That was way more entertaining.

    • I seriously don’t get the hate for this show post-finale. Maybe it’s just me, but I wasn’t watching this show the whole time thinking “This better all pay off in some miraculous way otherwise I’m going to regret the hundred hours I spent really enjoying it.”

      • I wasn’t either, but I was hoping that they didn’t make the show completely about all the things that were terrible about it.

        • that ending was like the ending of battlestar gallacticat in that I didnt watch a lot of that show any more than LOST and the ending was religious and hoaky. no thanks on that front.

          • Fortunately I realized, and let myself accept, early on that Battlestar was terrible.

          • first season kind of reminded me a little of Das Boot but I didnt want to watch much more than that. but man that series finale… wooooof, as bad as LOST if not worse. “ooooh they were angels so it was jesus all along etc” yuck

          • So let me get this straight, Steve. You didn’t actually watch LOST… or at least not “a lot of it”? But you know that it’s lame and stupid, and also that those who liked it actually liked it “dishonestly,” because we weren’t really “examining it”? And this is all from a show that you admittedly didn’t really watch? Ok, that’s good enough for me. Sound logic.

  19. i watched and loved your Lost.
    i regret nothing.

  20. I’ve said it before, maybe not here, but maybe, and I’ll say it again, watching lost was like dating a girl who was gorgous and could be really caring, but you just never knew what was going on with her and yet she seemed like someday, she would become wonderful and it would all work out…then you found out that she was wicked religious, totally insane, and actually wicked racist.

  21. Not to be “that guy” (you know, the adamant LOST fanatic who will defend the show and a majority of the decisions and supposed plot holes to his dying breath–there’s one in every family, seek them out), but I never quite understood the fervent distaste with writers “making it up as they go along” because, well…that’s intrinsically how narratives are written…right? Am i taking crazy pills? Moreover, I think Darlton had enough foresight to see that people were getting antsy with where the show was going, or the nature of how it was written. Which is why i think they threw in the Dickens’ references in ‘Live Together, Die Alone’ and ‘A Tale of Two Cities’ (duh) to implicitly say, “Hey assholes. Dickens made up his shit as he went along in journal publications. Lay off, jerks”. To which we replied, “Pft. A Tale of Two Cities? Minor Dickens. Give me some Flannery O’Conner”.

    • Okay, sure, yes, on some level you make it u as you go, but when you go “HEY THIS HAS MEANING” and “THIS IS SO IMPORTANT” and then, no, it’s not, there’s a problem.

    • whether or not they made it up on the fly or before hand is incidental to the problem of it sucking. it just sucked. the big tease at the end of every episode was a lie because a reveal or a development wasnt what the show was about, it was about teasing you and keeping everything elusive perpetually, except it was not done in an honest fashion but in a dishonest and disingenuous fashion. I didnt like it.

      • I’ve always simmered this dichotomy down to the context of the viewer. I think if say you are a fan that was drawn into what was ostensibly elusive about the show (i.e. smoke monster), then yes, I can see why the show might have been received as a giant ‘FUCK YOU’ to their viewers. I guess i was one of those viewers that was drawn into character as opposed to the island, and I think most sci-fi and/or fantasy does that very well (placing otherwise normal people in a grand backdrop that seemingly doesn’t exist elsewhere to produce some sort of narrative that reflects the ingenuity of the human spirit blah blah blah pretentious media studies major blah). With that being said (thank you, Larry David), I’m not entirely sure that it is a fair statement to implicitly say that most of the development of the show was about perpetually being dishonest with the teases, questions and mysteries they were presenting. I think, for the most part, TPTB tried to provide some sort of answer, or even just a hint or a context, to provide some sort of direction for the audience to either completely understand it or deduce enough information to figure it out for themselves (the latter, being what I think most people found attractive about the show in the first place). Aside from the Ajira boat, I think most diehard Lost fans can reasonably answer most of the core mysteries. I do understand, however, that the mainstream viewer didn’t exactly keep in touch with J. Wood, Totally Lost with Jeff Jensen or any other really intelligent and dedicated geeks to break things down for us, so I can see why a mention of the Casimir Effect isn’t something that all of us may lose our shit over.

        Lastly, I did think that some of the finale came off as mawkish, but my nipples can’t help but get hard enough to cut glass everytime I hear ‘There’s No Place Like Home’. There was something about that show that meant a lot for me, and because of that, I admit that i’m heavily bias.

        Post-script: If anything, can we all agree that ‘Through The Looking Glass’ was one of the best finales for any show and that ‘The Constant’ stands out as one of the best hour long programs ever? Please? Cease fire?

        • Even as virulent a LOST detractor as I am can still admit that The Constant was a rad episode. Really snagged that pulpy fun cliff hanger energy that seemed to reward paying attention and following something and staying true to it. Unfortunately LOST did not return the respect to its audience.

          • The Constant was a shit episode. If I want Star Trek, I’m watching Star Trek. Lost was about a mysterious island. No time travelling necessary.

  22. But, Lapidus didn’t die.

  23. For LOST fans, it seems like you all don’t really pay much attention to LOST things. Damon has very honestly told the story of how the show came together many, many times. The quotes above? Super old news. They wrote the bible between the first and second season, once they had time to breathe. Until then, they were just trying to stay alive. Why is that upsetting? What master plan did you want? But of course, I don’t even understand why the ending made people mad. I was just about as big a fan as you can be, but a story has to end. And it did. And there was never any way, even if it had been some masterfully sculpted thing all written out before the first episode aired, that the ending was going to please everyone. The show is over. Why not just give it a rest? There is a lot of awesome TV that is currently airing for you to obsess over. (Moral of the story: please watch COMMUNITY, because it is the best thing that’s ever happened to me.)

    • THIS. Also, I just started watching Friday Night Lights last week. Is this show any good? (Just kidding, it’s amazing LOLZ!)

      • FNL is the best! I envy you for having it all laid out ahead of you. Don’t let the first half of the second season get you down- they get back on track. Aw, FNL. Enjoy it!

      • The ‘Aw shucks, we actually have to do a real show now?’ part of the story is what tires me out. Sure, the finale made me yawn, but I get it, there’s no one definition of a ‘perfect’ ending. But you’re not helping yourself when the initial pitch and entire first season was just you throwing stuff at a wall, assuming you’d be cancelled. Again, who makes TV like that? Seems like an indulgent waste of funds.

    • Ways for the ending not to suck:

      1. Not be only and solely about Jack.
      2. Not be all about Christianity is the best, oh yeah those other religions too, we can put their symbols all over the place as if that means anything.
      3-27. No one cares enough, not even me, to rant all the way through.
      28. I could have listened to my gut and quit after Season 2.

      • But instead you got years of entertainment to gush and freak out and be upset over. For free. Yeah, life is tough.

        • Not exactly “free” in the sense that time does indeed equal money in most cases.

          • And not exactly free in that they made a ton of money from this show. Weren’t the advertising costs during the finale almost around Super Bowl levels?

          • Ok- so first off, you would have been earning money had you not been watching LOST? You took time off work to watch LOST? Right. Sure thing. And a network making money off the show means that you didn’t get it for free? Because last time I checked, that’s how television existed, as a means for advertising.

            And here’s the thing I’m really confused by: because you didn’t like how it ended, it negated the enjoyment you got out of it all those years? Did you get in your TARDIS and go back to tell yourself to still watch the show but not to enjoy it because you’re going to think the ending sucks? If you did, did you ask yourself why you watched the show? Because I think your answer would have been, “Because I like seeing what they come up with next and I enjoy the characters, and it’s fun to talk about with my friends.” Not, “Because I desperately need to know the answer to every question I’ve ever had about anything in my life and if this show doesn’t answer it my life has no meaning.”

            So here it is: I’m paid to love TV, because I work in a film and television archive. I keep it safe, I catalog it, I take it seriously; it is literally my life’s work. But my life was not ruined by a television show ending. If you’re still this angry because a fictional television show didn’t work out the way you wanted, you are lacking perspective. Be grateful for what you loved about it, for the time you spent enjoying it, and let. The rest. Go. Or Damon Lindelof is going to snap one day and start murdering people in a post office and it will be all your fault.

          • My life wasn’t ruined, I just lost many hours of it searching for clues to a puzzle that never existed. Hahaha, joke’s on me! It was never a puzzle.

            I’ve probably watched that show more than anyone I know because I, too, worked in television during this period of time. It is *also* my job to love and catalog television for a living… though now I have a dry day job so I can have a better quality of life and not live in LA or NYC with smug jerks who love name dropping how very important they are. Instead I get to freelance as I feel fit and/or inspired. And I probably could have freelanced a lot more during this exact time but I was busy trying to figure out things about the show because I really like puzzles. So yeah, if I could, I’d tell myself that no matter how much Desmond seems like the greatest character on Earth, the whole show will end with it being Jack’s Christian propaganda-fueled death.

            I watched the first season because it was fun and I liked the escapism. But I bought the box sets and time logged them and wrote theories (sometimes for money!) and pushed it in my then-column because it went from pretty people on a beach fun time to EVERYTHING MATTERS PAY ATTENTION riddle time. So you picked the wrong nerd to pick on, buddy. Because yes, it did cost me money and time and time I could have legitimately used to make more money.

            And the insane laziness of the last season’s writing is infuriating for a whole bevy of reasons but I gave it a go in the hopes that the finale would at least wrap something — anything — up. And it didn’t. And I have a right to complain so go back to your library, Damon.

          • >Not exactly “free” in the sense that time does indeed equal money in most cases.

            You spend an aweful lot of time complaining about LOST, if that’s really your attitude.

          • Woah, okay, yeah, I have to admit I was busy that whole time enjoying the show but also just living my life. I love television. But maybe not quite that much.

            And to follow the tangent through, I also managed to leave LA, but I’m still a media archivist- it’s fun! Life is easier in rural VA than it is in LA or NYC, that is for sure.

          • “My life wasn’t ruined, I just lost many hours of it searching for clues to a puzzle that never existed. Hahaha, joke’s on me! It was never a puzzle.”

            No shit. It was a television show.

            You seriously regret the time you spent puzzling over the mysteries of a television show? And you blame your regret on the television show and not yourself? Dude, the problem in this equation* is not the television show.

            * T(B + L) = R, where T=time, B=badideajeans, L=Lost and R=regret

      • Christianity? I think I missed that part. Probably because it wasn’t in the show.

    • I KNOW I KNOW TL;DR, well SUCK IT. Scroll past it then.

      Lindelof has already spoken in depth about this show for a number of hours of podcasts. There’s the Creative Screenwriting Magazine Podcast interview with Lindelof and Cuse recorded (I think) between seasons 5 & 6 (although it may be between 4 & 5), which is interesting in that they still can’t really talk about the WHOLE show, but it’s informative.

      Then after LOST finished Lindelof has appeared on Kevin Pollack’s chat show, breaking Eddie Izzard’s previous record for longest interview. Then he went on Chris Hardwick’s ‘The Nerdist’ podcast in a one on one interview, then again during the live Walking Dead panel with Robert Kirkman (granted, it was mostly about WD, but Lindelof did speak about LOST in the context of the subjects being discussed). He’s spoken at length about his experience on LOST and scenario in which the show was created. It’s all old news. The show was thrown together. Abrams was put in charge but couldn’t be the showrunner. Big wigs wanted certain things in the show to start. Lindelof had to bring in Cuse to help out in showrunning duties. They didn’t know what they were going to do with all these elements, and season 3 was a mess, then they got an end date and worked out how to get there, etc, etc, ETC, ETC, ETC ETCETERA.

      Has anyone heard the recent PRI: Sound of Young America podcast episode where John Hodgman interviews George R.R. Martin? Hodgman brings up this great point about fan backlash when it comes to sci-fi and fantasy epic stories. Basically, the premise is this– The fans of The Song of Ice and Fire series are perpetually frustrated with Martin because he announces there will be another book (and sometimes then ANOTHER book after that) and he then takes a while to write the book and fans, who have already ABSOLUTELY combed over his previous entries, first get wrapped up in continuity to the point where they become sticklers for it, then get impatient that the book is not out, and then when the book is finally released the fans read the book and become disenfranchised in a sense. They’ve invested large amounts of time to become MORE knowledgeable of the author’s work than the author himself, yet the author still is the one writing the book and it may not go the way the fans like (Hodgman and Martin put it much more eloquently), and they feel disenfranchised. Martin is getting mired in his own continuity issues, and fans are vocal about it and it’s hard for him to just WRITE and not worry his head off making sure everything lines up just so. I think he mentioned that an animal character (horse or something, just a mount and fairly inconsequential) switched sexes between books simply because he lost track of that ONE detail, and proceeded to get flack from fans.

      LOST also found itself in a similar situation as Twin Peaks, and Lynch and Frost not wanting to reveal Laura Palmer’s killer ever, instead using it as a McGuffin to continually explore all the craziness of the residents of Twin Peaks and the mysticism of the forest surrounding the town as long as the show was on the air. Lynch and Frost knew who the killer was before the show started (unlike AMC’s The Killing), and also populated the town with SUPER-colorful characters and intrigue (again, unlike The Killing). Instead, bossy, pushy network execs were like, “You’ve gotta reveal the killer.” So they did 7 episodes into their 2nd season (their 1st season was only 7 episodes), and then their ratings plummeted and the show was pulled off the air 8 episodes later (ep 15), leaving the last seven episodes unaired.

      LOST was very fan-sensitive during its entire run. Nikki and Paulo were killed because of the fans. LOST set an end date. The fans said, “Well, we’re waiting.” LOST had a bunch of mysteries that it used to position characters around with which to interact. The fans said, “Answer the questions and strip the show of its magic already.”

      I don’t hate LOST because it flew by the seat of its pants , made stuff up on the fly, and exploited the art of the cliffhanger. Quite the contrary, in fact. I loved the WTF quality at the end of every episode. It was amazingly fun stuff.

      As much as people harp on the line touted out during the final season that ‘LOST was always about the characters’ and people were like, ‘BULLSHIT. MYSTERIES FTW!’, LOST really threw a lot of characters at us and told us a lot about them, AS WELL as threw all sorts of mysteries at these characters to deal with, and in turn, the viewership. Whether or not you liked the resolution you got from the show and its finale, the show definitely answered a lot more questions than it didn’t.

      • Also, WHOOPS. That was only supposed to be a short reply of encouragement to splendidly, but I got WAY carried away. Forgive me.

      • but those characters were banal ciphers, and the performances were tv weak sauce, the writing was shallow and built around the perpetual tease as opposed to actual story that I mentioned previous. seriously not above the level of lame soap opera stuff. you are wrong to like this program. case closed.

      • That Martin paragraph was interesting, sci-fi fans do tend to be obsessive about their genre. In that case, I wish authors can weed out that sort of things instead of writing it for the fans’ expectations. On the other hand, LOST needed to listen to it fans just a little because it did absolutely nothing to complete many of the aspects of the stories and characters. It was shit.

        Also, AMC’s The Killing writers knew who the killer was before they filmed since it’s a remake (though, since they never gave that ending to American audiences perhaps they completely ignored the original and decided to LOST it, which would be terrible).

        • No, they didn’t, in that the original series picked the father’s employee as the killer, but the AMC showrunners ignored that and decided that another person would be the killer. They kept it loose, letting their writing dictate who the killer would be episode to episode. They only used the father[s employee as a red herring. They ignored the source material in that respect.

          • Well, they haven’t absolutely revealed the killer yet. It could still turn out to be that guy.

            Also, please be more careful about revealing huge spoilers for no reason. I was planning on watching the original series after the American version revealed Rosie’s killer.

          • I’m just making all this stuff up. I haven’t seen any of these shows.

  24. And it’s Lapides, not Lupides. (Now I’m just being a dick.)

  25. Some of my friends (read: assholes) would wax philosophically about this show and how great and deep and meaningful it was. I never really watched the show, because having heard about all the batshit ridiculous things that went on, I felt like their ultra serious deep discussions about SMOKE MONSTERS kind of ruined it for me. It always seemed like the show that wanted to be deep, but really wasn’t.

  26. On a very basic level, Lost failed to successfully tell it’s story. I am tired of hearing the same points by apologists:
    1. ‘it’s about the characters’. most of the characters were shallow and pointless and added on for no particular reason. eg. nikki and paolo, kate
    2. ‘i don’t want answers to everything’. no one is asking for a checklist of answers filled out, they are asking for something that the show promised to deliver and failed…and intelligent and thought provoking conclusion

    The Sopranos delivered an ending that was thought frustrating to some but ultimately intelligent and thought provoking. We got a stupid church and a generic happy ending. IT FAILED.

    • I agree with both of those points. But I also think that if you didn’t see the writing on the wall by the second season and instead kept on thinking there was going to be a cohesive overall storyline and well-thought out answers to all the questions, instead of just going along for the fun of the ride, you have only yourself to blame for taking this shit way more seriously than anyone involved with it ever did.

  27. Ok so no one is going to say what we all really think:

    the questions LOST posed in the first two seasons were what anyone watched after that for.

    That first two seasons were all about character development more than sci-fi, and most fans believed when they said there was always a DEFINITE END, that was always just waiting to be filmed, they first imagined the show.

    I don’t consider the time I spent great fun because I thought I was watching an epic- a story that had a solid beginning, and A SOLID END. I accepted the fact that they drew it out, one good episode, one crap episode, for the sake of broadcast tv (for which with that much advertising no one can say they gave ME free entertainment- I earned that SH*T)

    But come on people! WE TOLERATED A LOT OF CRAPPY TELEVISION WITH THE PROMISE THAT THERE WAS A REAL OVERALL PLOT! Appetizing people for that long, only to say that we should just enjoy the appetizers, is really just trying to say we enjoyed being manipulated because hey, at least they took the time to manipulate US. We should feel so special.

    I feel like he’s bragging about raping me.

  28. Who was your favorite Lost character? Mine was probably John Lost.

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  30. What do you mean “what happened”? We got one of the best and most entertaining TV shows ever.

  31. i loved Lost from start to finish and im over the ones who loved it til the end because they didnt get every answer, its called your interpretation and imagination, but just so you know Sawyer and Kate had a great love story off the island, ended when sawyer died alot earlier and fell back in love with juliet on the 2nd place, so kate bounced back to rebound guy jack :)

  32. “Thanks for watching our nighttime soap opera”- guys who wrote Lost

  33. Anyone here ever see Twin Peaks? I’m pretty sure that’s where the inspiration for Lost came from. Both ABC shows, both phenomenally popular. Mystery set in a breathtaking place, with extremely odd or interesting characters, and a non corporeal being who intended to do some kind of harm, but had to find a way into corporeal existence. They both come from secret places that were extremely difficult to find. Agree? Disagree?

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